There is more evidence on my side than yours. Wb is super tanky and has haki and his insane dw. Speed : At least massively hypersonic+, likely higher (intercepted Kizaru during mid transformation into light, as one of the series top tiers he scales to the other top tiers whom have been hyped capable of anticipating lightspeed and have kept up with Kizaru whom is a light man) Kizaru has never been harmed. Kizaru should be able to just turn him into a pincushion. @soaringturkeys: You've failed to outline how Whitebeard hurts Kizaru. For the video you posted you seem to be blind to that big hole in the chest Whitebeard has, remember Whitebeards condition. Usia Akainu sebelum timeskip itu 53, hanya lebih muda sedikit dari Kizaru. By that logic Kizaru is on eual standing with Kaido. I agree with Kace's answer, Kizaru is not the strongest Admiral. 1v1 Whitebeard wins no questions 8/10 for whitebeard. Do i need to post all of BB fights? Not really. Likes: LadyVados and Tekashi69420 I never denied that. Blackbeard Is young And healthy, being able to replicate Whitebeard's feats with ease. He doesn't dodge. sooooo yeah. Whitebeard was powerful enough to destroy the entire world, as stated in the story. The Gura Gura no Mi is like a net-shield that breaks anything in front of it when initially used, litterally to defend yourself all you have to do is attack, not only does the Gura Gura no Mi user overwhelm anything as a projectile, it also breaks everything in the general direction it is used. Akainu. Melee is not an option because Blackbeard also has the Gura Gura no Mi's superior power. Are we really going there? To be honest. One Piece 480 - Kizaru vs Whiteberd. The gura gura no mi's shock-wave can be "logia'ed" through. Note that this stab was recieved when Whitebeard was at his healthiest under the war. If BB punched in Kizaru's direction it wouldn't do anything. That's indisputable and so he wins, Once Kizaru gets pulled in by back Vortex it's over, Kizaru is stripped of his DF powers and is left with his haki. There are 16 Commanders, and obviously not all of them are extremely strong but they’re still formidable. Blackbeard's Yami Yami no Mi is a mostly short-range DF ability, hence the risks of being tagged. Kizaru can camp out of range and move through the air, whereas Whitebeard is relatively slow and landlocked. Dựa vào những hành động của ông mà chúng ta có thể cho rằng ông là kẻ phản diện chính thứ 2 của arc Sabaody Archipelago He takes everything lightly regardless of the severity of the moment. Ace, BB, Luffy, Magellan, Sengoku...you name it. —Whitebeard's response to his status as the "Strongest Man in the World". Blackbeard doesn't even need to be close range, even mid-range would prove too much for a punch. Akainu tanked Whitebeard's cheap shots and pretty much later on killed him. It wasn’t a great move but it was the best they had, so my applause to Whitebeard for being able to think so quickly. As for the video that is levitation at best, he never moves around in the air like Buffalo, he stays in a solid stationary position and the only direction he goes after entering any place above the ground is a general downward direction. Press J to jump to the feed. Are we really going there? also let's remember Kizaru is laid back, he does not spam abilities, he uses one, sees how it goes adn then next one, it's almost a free grab for Blackbeard. You cant really have it both ways. Kizaru can camp out of range and move through the air, whereas Whitebeard is relatively slow and landlocked. How strong does Kizaru's devil fruit have to be? He attacked a fellow crewmate and the Yonko requested us to take him out." Kizaru is an admiral so even if he is hit, it most likely will not one shot considering others at his level have survived point blank quake attacks. Whitebeard used Quakes on Blackbeard and Naginata on Kizaru. In verse WB clearly was portrayed as being a tier above the admirals. As i said we dont know how durable Kizaru is. actually it's because Kizaru is so laid back that we can safely asume his haki si the weakest of the 3 pre-timeskip admirals. its the only fair comparison we can make. Mar 17, 2020. @thetopcontender: I literally said he can defend against his attacks. Blackbeard has the Yami Yami no Mi. You really haven't convinced me that BB can defeat Kizaru. I wont elaborate much on this point because I allready adressed it in one of my earlier posts in this thread but basically Kizaru can't just tank those, he has to take action. Kizaru takes the majority. I am not presenting that as fact. And even he could..we've seen that backfire with Edward and Ace. It is quite easy to see that Whitebeard was much stronger than Kizaru. Whitebeard Vs Oden Clash! Kizaru dies, he really couldnt do anything to whitebeard besides shoot him a few times with his lasers which did nothing. Marco didnt tag Kizaru and neither did the dark king. Info. It is pretty simple to understand whyS Shanks won't be able to beat Whitebeard in a fight. This one comes down to how each individual fights . This is not an issue for Blackbeard's gravitational powers. @thetopcontender: that's (admirals can fight for days) is silly. As was shown with Akainu and Kuzan, admirals can fight for days on end with no issue. And Akainu did end up badly wounded. That's so silly. Blackbeard has shown outstanding intelect, being able to plan ahead all the way up to stealing Whitebeard's DF. Well...thats exactly what he has done several times. At Marineford, we finally got to see what Whitebeard is capable of doing. @enemybird: The tagging part was before he got Whitebeard's fruit. Garp, the strongest Naval officer, openly called him the King of the Seas. Thats the question. The whole argument made here is that Kizaru flies and spams. He got tagged by Marco and jozi defended against him. Like this, pinned down Kizaru loses conciousness and dies. Kizaru relies on his DF both for speed and melee combat, without it Kizaru is still strong but no whe's lost his greatest asset. - Marco said Miss Bakkin was in the same crew as Whitebeard 40 years ago. RR-only TM Limited RR-only Hide TM lim. @brownzeus: This is the last comment ill make. he will just wait it out for the opportune moment. "He's a former Whitebeard crewmember. Kizaru asked. I know you think BB will quake punch Kizaru when he comes in for a kick but he lacks the reaction feats to substantiate that claim. He has to hold Kizaru by the arm and punch him with the other. Jozu did it. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. Kizaru seems to be very laid-back and easygoing, speaking rather slowly and occasionally drawing out the last word of his sentences, which is strange considering this behavior is in direct contrast with his Cursed Fruit power. Not only that, there are apocolayptic weapons that can cause the earths demise.. Read it, the chapter is One Piece Chapter 578: He who must live to see a new age. Meanwhile we have out old sick unhealthy gramps Whitebeard: You see those litte red mountain tops in the marineford scan above? It's not just a lucky shot or two, Blackbeard only needs to attack in general directions. Blackbeard has shown greater durability having been attacked by Luffy, Magellan, Whitebeard and Sengoku in the same day, still walks it out fine with a few flesh wounds. Watch later. However, Kizaru takes the majority because he has the better defense and is the better fighter. Kizaru is an admiral so even if he is hit, it most likely will not one shot considering others at his level have survived point blank quake attacks. Yet people like Jack can fight for a week but God forbid wb fight that long. Akainu survived a serious blow from Whitebeard and Whitebeard should be much higher.) We can agree to disagree, seems like both of us are unwilling to change our minds. The Gura Gura no Mi erases that necessity. One Piece 480 - Kizaru vs Whiteberd - YouTube. Whitebeard tells Luffy to stay … Ace was at most a couple meters away from him and he's nowhere near as strong as Kizaru. The guy is a tank but an overall slob/brute when fighting. "Ara, then there's no need to worry, while we Marines hate pirates, we hate traitors even more. Terutama karena usia Kizaru dan Akainu sebenarnya berdekatan. Somehow you think that fat slob of all people will be the one to do it. 10/10 for Whitebeard. We dont have much to go on for either, especially blackbeard but based on what we do know about his fighting style, he loses. Copy link. Kizaru is *by far* the strongest guy in the verse if he fights pragmatically. @thetopcontender: he lasts as long if not longer than kizaru. WB even in that state is a tier above an Admiral 1v1 with no interference. Marco is a tall, lean, muscular, blonde-haired man with a rather sleepy look on his face Its luck because Kizaru has fought deadlier ( rayleigh & WB) and no one has harmed him yet. Blackbeard has the Yami Yami no Mi. You're contradicting yourself. Blackbeard has unknown melee prowess, being able to wound and scar a younger Shanks purposefully. We dont know how durable Kizaru is because nobody has been able to harm him. Blackbeard is a brute, and his Yami Yami no Mi brings opponents too close together, it turns every fight into a slugfest, perfect for a brute, this is why Blackbeard benefits the most with the Gura Gura no Mi, taking away logia intangibility means his oponents recieve the full force of his attacks, Kizaru being no exception. Maybe BB does get a lucky shot or two in but I dont see him winning. I am fairly certain that despite the lack of feats Blackbeard can pull Kizaru towards himself. @soaringturkeys: The concept is more that Kizaru goes airborne and Whitebeard literally can't touch him. also, a whole lot of people in OP who are weaker & slower than whitebeard have already dodged / reacted / outspeeded lasers, so Kizaru's lightspeed won't help him. His personality is the nerf that is preventing him from being broken. Kizaru is not one of these people. Kizaru stomps. Yet this featless claim doesnt transfer to the strongest man in the world. Perhaps poor wording of my part, what I meant is that Blackbeard isn't a thechnical figther, he is simple, he is a brute. Both Kizaru and BB posses the ability to kill each other offensively. Share. Besides, this is a Whitebeard vs Kizaru thread, I think we have taken enough spacce where we shouldnt. Also Blackbeard has Whitebeard's DF on top of his own so the gravity is just to get him close, the actual damage comes from the quakes. Nah, saya yakin meski dia biasanya gerak lambat, Kizaru juga punya stamina luar biasa. Kizaru's DF and intangibility gets nullified. Whitebeard doesn't have to dodge, a single casual tired blow of his punches overwhelms anything Kizaru got. Do i need to post all of BB fights? Well, I suppose you've seen it yourself what even an old & very injured Whitebeard could casually do to admiral-class enemies such as e.g. Oh damn Squard got that Kizaru speed damn... or maybe it is that Whitebeard's health had deteriorated before the War? Funny how you used BB tanking hits from WB and in the same post talk about how half dead he is when fighting Kizaru. I gave a good explanation . His condition was much worse in that video you posted. Well you'd have to prove he has the capability to draw Kizaru to him to begin with, which you haven't. OT: Whitebeard was severely wounded against Kizaru, Rayleigh was not. We dont have much to go on for either, especially blackbeard but based on what we do know about his fighting style, he loses. We dont know how durable Kizaru is because nobody has been able to harm him. #1. Whitebeard almost massacred the lava guy on the spot. However I would be lying if I said I was not somewhat baffled, old Whitebeard proved time and time again that the Gura Gura no Mi is on another league. However of the 3 Akainu has been the greatest feats, of all we have implications that point Akainu being physically superior to Borsalino, for example Marco's ability of tanking the entire Yasakani Sacred Jewel barrage in the air without solid footing and still be able to retaliate Kizaru pushing him back down to the ground while the same Marco was overwhelmed and pushed back by Akainu's Magma fist, we know how Kizaru's DF works, but as Individuals Akainu is clearly the superior one. As in Rocks' crew, with Whitebeard, Shiki, Linlin and Kaido. Actually Aokiji entered his elemental state when he saw Whitebead's quake coming for him. He is a very large human who fights with Murakumogiri, a very large naginata as his weapon. Sengoku fought BB during the war and matched him shockwave for shockwave. In summary...Kizaru is a better fighter with better feats... he hasn't been tagged by anyone and will drop kick BB before he can react. He literally fought the supernovas h2h. 9 Can't: Kizaru You agree the BB is a bad fighter by comparison but for some reason you do not think BB will stand there like a moron? Whitebeard’s Commanders are not only strong, but they’re also plenty. This one comes down to how each individual fights . Safe to say that the weakest WB Commander isn’t fodder, compared to Kaido’s and Big Mom’s crew where there are only a few actually powerful people and the rest might as well not be there. Also Blackbeard has Whitebeard's DF on top of his own so the gravity is just to get him close, the actual damage comes from the quakes. Also Kizaru is not gonna dodge whitebeard forever, we have seen people intercept Kizaru before, if Raileigh can so can Whitebeard. This isnt about who has the more powerful devilfruit because both opponents are capable of killing each other with said abilities. Busōshoku Haki (Color of Armaments): Kizaru is shown using this type of Haki, but his level of application is unknown. Sure, in the right situation BB can use the vortex on Kizaru... pull him in and hit him with a quake punch. Sure Kizaru won't go down after one hit, but Black Vortex Steals devil fruit power and it is like a magnet, once Blackbeard has hold of Kizaru more than one punch is sure to follow. lol. @back_stabbath95: Whitebeard's attack have massive effective range, Katakuri's strat wouldn't work against the cone of damage that is a whitebeard punch. RR-only Support Limited RR-only Hide Support lim. He has to hold Kizaru by the arm and punch him with the other. And the ironic part about all of this is, despite all the Kizaru wank by one piece fans, he has the worst feats of any of the admirals. Blackbeard's gravity was strong enough to directly lift ace from the floor and make him fly directly towards Teach. So like I said..Teach has never pulled someone as strong as Kizaru from a range as far away as Borsalino can choose to be. Iirc Aokiji did this when someone hit him with haki though there were no visuals for CoA at the time. There are characters like blackbeard who control gravity, and characters like Mihawk, Whitebeard and Ace who can destroy islands with one shot.. Whitebeard at his max can at least take out half of the entire planet.. Gecko Moria, who recovered from his loss against Jimbei fought against the weakest group he could find, and Mihawk was still dueling with Vista. He fought the top tier characters in the series and was untouched. but that is besides the point because Blackbeard has the greater power, I dont just mean just being more powerful, it's how the quakes actually work. Heavy emphasis on the luck part. you dont need control or aim, general direction=damage. @enemybird We are talking on paper mate, considering Blackbeard has become a Yonko it is a safe assumption he now has some haki as well. But then again, who can beat kizaru on paper? sooooo yeah. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! @enemybird: In Paper Blackbeard has the power of Whitebeard and more. because no amount of lasers from Kizaru hold more power than the Gura Gura no Mi's quakes. He had created a wall with the other Admirals to block a quake from Whitebeard, which is an application of Goken, thus he should be highly proficient or even advanced in its level of application. Actually by feats Blackbeard is one of the worst figthers, he has no combos, he isn't really nibmle either and his speed feats are low. Rayleigh h2h. Blackbeard has the Gura Gura no Mi. I admitted that BB with get a lucky shot or two in. Thats pretty much it. The world’s strongest man vs the world’s fastest man. Age: 56 pre timeskip, 58 after the timeskip. This never happened in the manga, it was filler, all that happened was that Sengoku sneak attacked Blackbeard & Co. and they recovered extremely quickly just for blackbeard to pull the Whitebeard island-sea feat casually. @soaringturkeys: You've failed to outline how Whitebeard hurts Kizaru. He trolled Rayleigh, the supernova's , Marco, G2 Luffy and even Whitebeard. RR-only KC Limited RR-only Hide KC lim. Blackbeard has none of those setbacks. You cant really have it both ways. lol. Kizaru may even prefer to come in close and kick BB at lightspeed. Black Vortex pulls any DF user, thus countering Kizaru's speed and any melee advantage he might have. Whitebeard ate the Gura Gura no Mi, which gave him the power to destroy the world. Kizaru narrowed his eyes at the man underneath him before they returned back to him smiling. It is a losing battle and I mean no disrespect for Kizaru, the gap is just that big. Aokiji did what you mentioned, but then it was a simple stab from Whitebeard, not an actual quake punch. In one of the episodes, kizaru attacks whitebeard head on, but whitebeard strikes him with his blade. Kizaru's lasers outrange the quakes. Huge difference. Shopping. It needs to be lots and lots more powerful, the best feat we have for Kizaru lasers are these two: We can scale them up with Yasakani Sacred Jewel and sure the power magnifies a lot. 90° Degrees = 1.5708 Radians. In other words. Kizaru on the other hand has not been harmed in any of his showings. And wb defend range attacks with quake punches. Jika Akainu dan Aokiji sama-sama bisa berduel 10 hari, saya yakin Kizaru pun bisa. Yes I do have a counter: Black Vortex. Haki varies from user to user, we can safely assume all 3 admirals have around the same haki because of their equal rank. The one piece verse SHITS on the narutoverse hard. I am saying he is probably approx as durable as the other admirals. Blackbeard doesn't have the best track record of dodging attacks either. You are indeed where you belong. Also... Kizaru can fly. Tap to unmute. Three years later, the Whitebeard Pirates were shipwrecked on the Kuri region of Wano Country … Teach hasn't demonstrated the combat speed necessary to get off an attack before Kizaru can slice him up with his light sword in close range. A single Kizaru kick beam should be around that scale. Non-farmable filters (Click Non-Farmable Filter Above) Limited RR-only Hide lim. from there it becomes a game of trading blows, The Black Vortex ability wont let Kizaru get away because of it's gravitational powers, Kizaru has to counter with Haki kicks and punches, Blackbeard strikes with quake punches. He sits and startes before he got the Gura Gura no Mi, now he can just punch whatever comes his way. People dont seem to notice how rigid the speed of Kizaru is, yes he is fast, but also linear. Like I said, he tried that maneuver with Ace and he got stabbed. Yes, I agree that Kizaru is around the same level as the other admirals, but he is the lesser when compared to Akainu who recieved the direct hits from Whitebeard. You can argue Kizaru retaliates with Lasers, but blackbeard has tanked worse so it ends in a trade, and that sort of game is the kind Blackbeard wins thanks to the Gura Gura no Mi. But let's be fair, Kizaru's DF has it's main strength in speed, he is a Logia so he has increased means for defense, the Pika Pika no Mi is way more flexible than the Gura Gura no Mi and with some haki it's speed shines though. It is a messy way to fight, but it benefits Blackbeard so well no wonder he beat Marco, one who has a Devil fruit so powerful it's defensive properties surpasss that ov any Logia. Rayleigh did it. I know you think BB will quake punch Kizaru when he comes in for a kick but he lacks the reaction feats to substantiate that claim. Thus it is an educated assumption/safe guess to say that Whitebeard's range can also bypass Logia intangibility. Name: Borsalino, moniker "Kizaru" (meaning "Yellow Monkey") Origin: One Piece. You cannot make the case that BB will just overpower everything in his path if he stalemated Sengoku. "I am only one man with one heart...Call me a demon, call me a monster...but I can't be the strongest forever...!!!"
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